Nomic

[minichef]

Oh. Are we allowed to pass and take money or something of this nature?

[ric]

I feel a need to vote "Nay," because of the confusion when taking into account negative numbers. And, whenever I read your proposal, it seems as if you want to give every player an extra 10%, every time a rule is proposed.

Oh, yeah, is it possible to change that to say, "On a players turn, the player's points increase by positive %10. If the player has negative points, %10 of that number multiplied by -1 is the players income for that turn."

If not, are we just going to interpret my rule to mean that? Because if not, everyone should have had a %10 increase last after my rule passed.

[Moontide]

Oh. Are we allowed to pass and take money or something of this nature?

I don't think so.

If not, are we just going to interpret my rule to mean that? Because if not, everyone should have had a %10 increase last after my rule passed.

They did.

[ric]

Okay, well...minichef, would you mind proposing that amendment please?

[minichef]

Okay, I would like to propose that we make a rule to where we are allowed to pass a turn, and recieve 1 point. I am not sure which section this would go in, or if this is a good points amount, so I am open to help and point suggestions.

[Moontide]

I vote aye on this new rule. I think this rule would be rule 306.

[ric]

I vote nay. It seems somewhat pointless to me, considering we all get a %10 increase every turn.

[Monty]

I choose to vote "Nay" as well. I'm not in favor of anything that let's one "skip a turn.

[minichef]

I proposed this, because times like me, I am not sure what to change.

And since we have a tie, I choose to pass the vote.

[Monty]

We might have to invoke judgment on this one, but, Minichef, you had previously never voted "Aye" on this proposal. As of right now, I am choosing to fail this proposal. I need a second opinion though. I thought the consensus after last time was that you needed to express your "Aye" when you made your proposal.

[Moontide]

No, the consensus after last time was that you did not need to express your "Aye" when you made your proposal.
See http://thetoo.com/viewtopic.php?p=938993#p938993.

I said one did need to.
You said one didn't need to.
Ric said one didn't need to.
So I dropped the point because I didn't care that much.

There for, I think, the consensus is that one does not need to.

[Monty]

But every rule we've made since that controversy, with the exception of Minichef, has included an "Aye" in the vote.

[Moontide]

This one didn't: http://thetoo.com/viewtopic.php?p=940576#p940576

The aye is optional, the only reason I say it is because then we don't have this problem.

[minichef]

Well, use common sense. I think if you are going to propose something, you would usually vote "aye". Unless you are crazy and don't have the ability to use common sense, that is.

[Monty]

Actually, it can be a calculated strategy to vote Nay on your own proposal. For instance, had I voted Nay on my proposal that passed, I would have netted myself an extra 10 points. This is why we can't take unstated votes. In the proposal Minichef made that apparently set a precedent, she said "I think we should." If we make this decision, it limits the strategic play in this game.

[Moontide]

OK, because we disagree, I use rule 212 to invoke Judgment, and Ric is the judge (because he goes before minichef). So Ric what is your judgement?

[minichef]

Um. I am hVing an extreme blonde moment, along with summer brain(when you don't understand big words because of summer break) and I don't understand hardly any of the last two posts. Help??

[Moontide]

Me and montywhittakerIII disagree about the rules. So because of the rules, we are waiting for Rick to make a judgement, to determine who is right.

[Mark Prescott]

Just FYI, I'd like to go on the queue for the next game. Proceed...

[Moontide]

You can join now, in you want. Per rule 116. If you do then you go right after Ric and before minichef.