The Town of Odyssey

If you do believe that, I'd love to have you join me! If you don't, come talk about it!

Is this like a sunday school party? Can I bring cupcakes?

I don't really subscribe to the belief outlined in the thread title ...

... but I'm totally down for some cupcakes!

Well, Jelly, cupcakes are allowed, but this is mainly a discussion about whether or not one believes Christ died for their sins. Do you?

Kate: Why do you not believe this? What do you believe?

Well, your proposition sort of hinges on the assumption that everyone already understands what "sin" is, or even that everyone even believes in "sin."

For example, is it sin for me to eat all these cupcakes by myself? In which case, did Christ die so that I could still eat these cupcakes and not go to hell?

Also did Christ die for everyone's sins or just the elect?

Exactly. How do I know which of these cupcakes have been elected for righteous consumption?

Jelly wrote:Exactly. How do I know which of these cupcakes have been elected for righteous consumption?

Oh, that's easy. The only righteous cupcakes are the chocolate ones. It's just that some are more showy about their chocolate-ness than others, and some simply look chocolate but are actually vanilla in disguise. Gotta watch out for the vanillas in chocolates' clothing.

By their chocolate, you shall know them.

Clearly the vanilla are the righteous, for they have been made white in the blood of the Lamb.

I only eat red velvet cupcakes, because of the blood thing.

bookworm wrote:Clearly the vanilla are the righteous, for they have been made white in the blood of the Lamb.

Ah, but vanilla cupcakes are those that simply look righteous. The chocolate ones know that they have been stained by their sin, yet when eaten it is clear that they have the better taste and are therefore the ones that have truly grown in the Spirit.

TigerintheShadows wrote:

bookworm wrote:Clearly the vanilla are the righteous, for they have been made white in the blood of the Lamb.

Ah, but vanilla cupcakes are those that simply look righteous. The chocolate ones know that they have been stained by their sin, yet when eaten it is clear that they have the better taste and are therefore the ones that have truly grown in the Spirit.

That sounds to me like the chocolate are acting as the hypocrites Jesus rebuked. Maintaining their sinful appearance, when He said not to disfigure yourself to show your piety, but to wash so it is not obvious to others for the Father who sees in secret is the one who will reward.

bookworm wrote:

TigerintheShadows wrote:

bookworm wrote:Clearly the vanilla are the righteous, for they have been made white in the blood of the Lamb.

Ah, but vanilla cupcakes are those that simply look righteous. The chocolate ones know that they have been stained by their sin, yet when eaten it is clear that they have the better taste and are therefore the ones that have truly grown in the Spirit.

That sounds to me like the chocolate are acting as the hypocrites Jesus rebuked. Maintaining their sinful appearance, when He said not to disfigure yourself to show your piety, but to wash so it is not obvious to others for the Father who sees in secret is the one who will reward.

Oh, no, that's not the situation. The chocolate are simply unafraid to remind the world through symbolism that they are still not perfect even in their salvation, while the vanilla feels the need to use color symbolism to make people think they're perfect by whitewashing their imperfections. They are the whitewashed tombs, you could say.

But what about blueberry muffins?

TigerintheShadows wrote:The chocolate are simply unafraid to remind the world through symbolism that they are still not perfect even in their salvation, while the vanilla feels the need to use color symbolism to make people think they're perfect by whitewashing their imperfections.

I can take your point on the chocolate, but you are entirely misunderstanding the vanilla. They did not make themselves white, so it's not putting up a pure appearance as if to be holier than though. As I said they were washed white. So their cleanliness is genuine, you can't fault them for displaying it. What would be hypocritical would be to blemish their cleanliness intentionally so as to appear less cleansed, or to make a statement, which is what I thought you said the chocolate were doing.

Knight Fisher wrote:But what about blueberry muffins?

They have no souls. They once did, but the insertion of the blueberries robbed them.

bookworm wrote:As I said they were washed white. So their cleanliness is genuine, you can't fault them for displaying it.

Personally, I think that the simple act of not being chocolate keeps them from being part of the holy elect. But as a matter of objectivity, I suppose their holier-than-thou-ness is to be judged on whether they try to put on a show with their pure white icing or don't feel the need to put on that kind of show and just stick with the multicolored icing instead.

So blueberry muffins are... gingers.

Devil's Food Cupcakes.

I feel like we should get rid of all these physical cupcakes and focus on the spiritual.