PHC and PYC

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Have you gone to PYC or PHC?

I attended PYC, PHC, and go to a Pilgrim Holiness Church.
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I attended PYC and PHC but I do not go to a Pilgrim Church.
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I only attended PYC.
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I have heard of it but never attended any of this options.
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I have never heard of it.
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How many of you have gone to PYC or PHC? Have you even heard of it?

It stands for Pilgrim Youth Camp and Pilgrim Holiness Camp or Church.

I know Odysseyfan1 goes to PYC because I met him and supposedly Peachy Keen is supposed to join or has joined PHC.

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Because this has to do with church affiliation, it has been moved to Second Church of Odyssey.

In regards to the topic, I actually haven't heard of PHC or PYC. That's what I voted in the poll, as well.
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They don't believe in doctors or medication. :(
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The Top Crusader wrote:They don't believe in doctors or medication. :(
We most certainly do! We have almost all modern convenience except TV. We don't believe in things like smoking, drinking and etc. The women are supposed to not cut their hair, wear skirts, and no makeup that kind of things.
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The official website said that members don't belive in doctors, etc, but that the don't hold it against other people who do. But maybe even individual church's have different stances? \:D/

Could you explain why all modern conveniences except TV are okay, as well as why women must wear skirts? I'm just curious because I just spent the weekend in Amish country, but none of them are online to ask questions to. :( So you're the next best thing! \:D/
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Stop Wooton' Around wrote:We most certainly do! We have almost all modern convenience except TV. We don't believe in things like smoking, drinking and etc. The women are supposed to not cut their hair, wear skirts, and no makeup that kind of things.
Smoking's wrong, morally? Interesting.

I also would like to know why all the more legalistic sects out there have a million and one rules regarding women, but seemingly none (or very few) that apply to men alone? And that question was more me musing than asking you directly, SWA.
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For what it's worth, my female family members wear skirts. Not because they believe it would be inherently sinful for them to not wear them, but because it (generally) is less revealing. I don't know if this is SWA's reasoning, though.
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Less revealing than, say, baggy jeans? :-k Unless jeans are painted on, there's nothing less revealing than them. Skirts are horrible- from a practicality standpoint AND from a 'revealing' standpoint. Ever heard of the 'shoe cameras' men have used to take pictures UP skirts? \:D/

Shoe cameras used to film up skirts and dresses.

That's the tamest article regarding them that I could find. One exceedingly convincing page actually demonstrated the type of images the camera produced. Yay skirts!
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So yeah, like, we should base our opinion on what 10 pathetically wicked and useless people do with their time? I guess I wont ever buy Adventures in Odyssey CDs again because some people may take them and record bad music onto it. :( (Way different situations, but same principle.)

There is a simple solution to the problem: wear leggings UNDERNEATH the skirt. Problem solved. \:D/

As for practicality, I can't really make any case against you. There probably are things that can/shouldn't be done in skirts, so I'll let that go. However, in most cases (like going to church, hanging out with friends, etc.) there's nothing that would prevent one from wearing a skirt. I have girl friends who modestly play sports, bike rides, etc. in skirts. ;)

Heh, be a guy for a day, and then say (even "baggy") pants on a woman aren't eye-catching
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There's no case to make against people wearing skirts, that's their decision and personal convictions.


But I will say that I don't see girls in a skirt or jeans any different. :anxious: They're not necessarily eye-catching to me...either one. I've seen skirts and jeans that can be seen as immodest, even long ones because they're so form fitting. ;)

But I suppose it really depends on the acceptance of the culture and to some extent mental perversion on how much you're trying to scope out the girls who wear pants or shorts or whatnot. If you were raised around girls with skirts and such, of course someone in pants will be "eye-catching" but it isn't necessarily for lustful reasons either. :P
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I have only heard about PHC and PYC.
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Hmm, I do agree, Batman.

We (and I'm using that term loosely) don't wear pants largely because we want to avoid being form-fitting. Why not "baggy" jeans? As Tyler said, it mostly has to do with culture. Many of the people we are friends with are homeschooled/conservative families, and they've been raised to avoid pants. Baggy pants vs. skirts is indeed a personal conviction, but in my experience, so-called "loose" jeans are scarce thesedays. ;)
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what i'm getting from this, is that the reason girls should wear skirts is more for the sake of men, rather than the sake of the girl. it doesn't make sense that a skirt would be more modest, but let's suppose it is - in which case, even if wearing one keeps men from being lustful somehow, skirts are a lot less secure. the wind blows and you're suddenly almost naked. they can be lifted easily and they definitely have less coverage.
leggings under the skirt definitely works, though. it's definitely not as efficient as trousers, but it's what i wear and i manage. except i wear skirts and leggings due to preference, not so much modesty.. trousers look awful on me. lol >.>

but that aside.
what kind of shirts are supposed to be worn? like what's the acceptable level of shape to a shirt before it's too form-fitting?
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The Top Crusader wrote:The official website said that members don't belive in doctors, etc, but that the don't hold it against other people who do. But maybe even individual church's have different stances? \:D/

Could you explain why all modern conveniences except TV are okay, as well as why women must wear skirts? I'm just curious because I just spent the weekend in Amish country, but none of them are online to ask questions to. :( So you're the next best thing! \:D/
What website? Not all modern conveniences except TV but most. There is not anything wrong with a TV it's what you watch on it the same for a computer it's what you view. The skirt thing it is to be more modest but you always have people who step around it and things. The skirt is well below the knees. Also women are not to wear jewelry or cut their hair. I get called Amish at school all the time because I go to public school. Most in the this denomination don't like there kids going to public school.

Also, The Top Crusader you can ask me a few questions about the Amish whereas I have direct descendants that were Amish.
Iron and Light wrote:Smoking's wrong, morally? Interesting.

I also would like to know why all the more legalistic sects out there have a million and one rules regarding women, but seemingly none (or very few) that apply to men alone? And that question was more me musing than asking you directly, SWA.
Actually men do have restrictions, like no shorts or short sleeves. There is stricter and not as strict churches in the denomination.
Sapphire wrote: I have only heard about PHC and PYC.
Really, how?

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Yay for really late replies!

Wow, SWA... no shorts or short sleeves? That's so harsh :<. Especially considering the fact that all women must abide by those rules as well. . . However do you men live?

On a side note, do you realize that, in Bible times, both men and women wore tunics... which are practically dresses? Furthermore, to be quite frank, a simply study of human anatomy would make me think that men, not women, should be forced to wear dresses instead of pants. Let's be honest here- when women wear tight pants, it shows nothing. When men wear tight pants.... well I won't be crude- BUT they have something that could show in the form of an unsightly bulge.
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Iron and Light wrote:Let's be honest here- when women wear tight pants, it shows nothing.
HAH. No of course not dear, nothing at all. :anxious:

Anywho, perhaps a move to CCDS or Finneman's would be good for this topic, no arguing in the church! :x
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lol lena.
that's all i have to say.
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*wears pants in topic*

My wife owns no other skirt/dress other than her wedding dress, as an aside.
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Yeah, pants for women are made for women, there's definitely a gender line there... >_> You don't normally see guys wearing girl pants...except in the case of Xiao.
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