To date, or not to date?

[Termite]

making out

Yet another thing that I have never heard defined...

French kissing?

[jelly]

Courtesy of wikipedia..

It typically involves kissing,[4] including prolonged, passionate, open-mouth kissing (also known as French kissing), intimate contact...

[The Top Crusader]

GET THIS OUT OF MY CHURCH!!!!!

But, okay... I don't feel like going back and quoting anyone right now, but people basically said what I expected them to say about why another family member must ALWAYS be present at all times when a couple is together... to resist temptation of making out or being thrown overboard a sea vessel.

So, really... you don't think people can be out on their own without instantly making out?! Even if they are "alone" in a public place? I mean, yes, I have seen random people making out in public but really its somewhat rare, most people don't want to subjugate everyone around them to that.

My point, as has come up before is... if a couple is not mature enough that they CAN'T be left alone without sinning... then they should in no way be dating or courting or sailing the sea. If their family can't trust them to behave themselves, and if they can't trust THEMSELVES... then... yeah. Go back to your room for praying and Bible reading and leave relationships to the pros.

[Amethystic]

Watch too much iCarly, then you'll figure it out. Not that I have, but one of my friends has.

...? I don't remember any excessive kissing on iCarly.

[Steve]

Watch too much iCarly, then you'll figure it out. Not that I have, but one of my friends has.

...? I don't remember any excessive kissing on iCarly.

You apparently haven't watched the episodes my friend has. He hates the show but watches it anyway.

[Amethystic]

Watch too much iCarly, then you'll figure it out. Not that I have, but one of my friends has.

...? I don't remember any excessive kissing on iCarly.

You apparently haven't watched the episodes my friend has. He hates the show but watches it anyway.

But I've watched, like, all the episodes. (I know, I know; it's stupid but addictive.)

[Steve]

Watch too much iCarly, then you'll figure it out. Not that I have, but one of my friends has.

...? I don't remember any excessive kissing on iCarly.

You apparently haven't watched the episodes my friend has. He hates the show but watches it anyway.

But I've watched, like, all the episodes. (I know, I know; it's stupid but addictive.)

Well, maybe. He suffers from chronic overexageration.

[John Chrysostom]

I have two questions for the pro-courtship group. You assume that active, responsible, and present parents are always available to people who are of dating age. What should someone do whose parents are either uninvolved, irresponsible, or not present in their lives? Also what should someone do when they are older, post-college for example, maybe living away from their parents, do they still need parent involvement and never be alone with a person they're interested in?

[ric]

If they haven't been trained to have self-control, they probably shouldn't be going away to college in the first place.

[John Chrysostom]

And if their parents were not fit to teach them? Or if they had absent parents? And are you equating lack of self control with being alone with someone you are interested in?

[ric]

If their parents were not fit to teach them, I would hope they had some sort of spiritual mentor.

I'm saying that the problem with being alone with someone is that sometimes you are tempted to 'go overboard', as it were, and that would demonstrate lack of self-control.

I think dating is fine if you have proven your integrity and self-control.

[John Chrysostom]

I can see where you're coming from and one always hopes for the best but we are rarely given that.

[Joanne]

We all have a sin nature and no matter how "mature" we think we are we always have the ability to sin. My sisters had chaperons (sp?) on there first dates and my dad talked to the guys before they went out. After that though they could be on there own because they where mature enough. That's not to say if you do it this way it will work out, but I think your better safe than sorry.

[Termite]

I think the common sense here is to not go out on a date until you're mature enough to handle yourself properly...

[Joanne]

I think the common sense here is to not go out on a date until you're mature enough to handle yourself properly...

Exactly. My point was we are never above sin. Although we can fight against temptation, we aren't perfect.

[ric]

I think the common sense here is to not go out on a date until you're mature enough to handle yourself properly...

Exactly. My point was we are never above sin. Although we can fight against temptation, we aren't perfect.

Yes, and my point was that it's up to the parent or guardian to decide whether you are mature enough.

[Termite]

...When you're a teenager, right? =P Cause my dad will certainly be staying out of my hair when I decide I feel God is leading me to date someone. He's not having a say in my personal life like that; he doesn't even know me well enough to make a good enough judgment on a guy...

[jelly]

sheesh, if your parents have to decide when and who you should date, then you're clearly not independent or responsible enough to date anyways.

[ric]

...When you're a teenager, right? =P Cause my dad will certainly be staying out of my hair when I decide I feel God is leading me to date someone. He's not having a say in my personal life like that; he doesn't even know me well enough to make a good enough judgment on a guy...

Yes, when you're a teenager.

sheesh, if your parents have to decide when and who you should date, then you're clearly not independent or responsible enough to date anyways.

Yes.

All I'm saying is that it's the parent's job to make sure you become mature enough to date.

[The Top Crusader]

Well yeah, IMO no one should date until they are adults so therefore their parents shouldn't be making such decisions for them.