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SoccerLOTR wrote:See, what I don't understand is the whole "leggings makes it modest" idea...because if leggings or shorts are what makes it modest, why can't you just wear those and scratch the skirt, which just adds layers?
By the same logic, Soccer, if you wear pants, there's possibility they could fall down to show your underclothing,right? So I suppose that means pants aren't necessary either. :noway: the leggings are a guard. Not clothing to be with without a skirt. ;)

Sorry for intruding on the conversation... I just had to point that out.
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Wait, but bifurcated garments on men could ALSO fall down, so by Lee's logic, men too should be wearing skirts just in case. Or at least kilts. ;)
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No, the reason girls wear skirts is so that the genders are definite. And yes I know in the Bible men wore robes. ;)
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Lee wrote:No, the reason girls wear skirts is so that the genders are definite.
I don’t understand this statement. Last I heard, clothes weren’t what determined a person’s gender. :-k
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Just wearing leggings, no... but if the pants fit right, they won't fall down. And if they're a bit loose all one needs to do is wear a belt or layer with a camisole so there's no chance that if they do sag a bit anyone could see anything. ;)

Oh, one might think that wearing a skirt is more modest than pants, but then one might also realize it's a heck of a lot easier for a male to take advantage of if he wants to... just sayin'. :P
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I really don’t see the advantage of a dress or skirt over pants from a modesty standpoint.
(That’s ‘over’ as in ‘compared to’, not ‘over’ as in physically worn over.)
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Termite wrote:Just wearing leggings, no... but if the pants fit right, they won't fall down. And if they're a bit loose all one needs to do is wear a belt or layer with a camisole so there's no chance that if they do sag a bit anyone could see anything. ;)
my pants have certainly never fallen down, nor do I see why skirts would be any more secure than pants. Unless by "skirts" you are referring to "dresses". And I wear loose t-shirts for the most part, so they definitely come down past the top of my pants...so I've never needed to be concerned about any of my midsection showing.
Termite wrote:Oh, one might think that wearing a skirt is more modest than pants, but then one might also realize it's a heck of a lot easier for a male to take advantage of if he wants to... just sayin'. :P
:lol: true story. Which also brings up the topic...self defense. Can women learn self-defense if they are stuck wearing skirts? Looking at some of the techniques I've learned from martial arts, there is NO way you could do them while wearing a skirt, much less modestly while wearing a skirt. It sounds easy to say "just kick, run, and scream", but practically that doesn't always work for example if it's a big guy, you miss the target--or if you are defending someone else who isn't as able to run (kids?). So how can you really learn to kick well without getting tangled up in skirts? Or how can you go to any sort of class in a skirt? (sorry, starting to come from the police perspective here)
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I'm not going to try to deny that skirts could hamper movement in some cases. ;)

But I think we could discuss this for pages and not convince one another of anything. I have worn a skirt or dress or hospital gown or baby clothes ( I was much younger then. :lol: :p ) for every day of my life since I was born and I feel that's God's will for me. I'm not saying it is for everyone, but if I did, I would violate my conscience. And once you go back on one thing God had told you, it's much much easier to disobey Him in other areas as well. Bottom line: Ask God what He wants you to wear and obey His leading. Not real complicated if you ask me! :)
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Lee wrote:I'm not going to try to deny that skirts could hamper movement in some cases. ;)

But I think we could discuss this for pages and not convince one another of anything. I have worn a skirt or dress or hospital gown or baby clothes ( I was much younger then. :lol: :p ) for every day of my life since I was born and I feel that's God's will for me. I'm not saying it is for everyone, but if I did, I would violate my conscience. And once you go back on one thing God had told you, it's much much easier to disobey Him in other areas as well. Bottom line: Ask God what He wants you to wear and obey His leading. Not real complicated if you ask me! :)
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Alyssa wrote:
Lee wrote:I'm not going to try to deny that skirts could hamper movement in some cases. ;)

But I think we could discuss this for pages and not convince one another of anything. I have worn a skirt or dress or hospital gown or baby clothes ( I was much younger then. :lol: :p ) for every day of my life since I was born and I feel that's God's will for me. I'm not saying it is for everyone, but if I did, I would violate my conscience. And once you go back on one thing God had told you, it's much much easier to disobey Him in other areas as well. Bottom line: Ask God what He wants you to wear and obey His leading. Not real complicated if you ask me! :)
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Lee wrote:I'm not going to try to deny that skirts could hamper movement in some cases. ;)

But I think we could discuss this for pages and not convince one another of anything. I have worn a skirt or dress or hospital gown or baby clothes ( I was much younger then. :lol: :p ) for every day of my life since I was born and I feel that's God's will for me. I'm not saying it is for everyone, but if I did, I would violate my conscience. And once you go back on one thing God had told you, it's much much easier to disobey Him in other areas as well. Bottom line: Ask God what He wants you to wear and obey His leading. Not real complicated if you ask me! :)
True story. Despite our disagreements, I will agree that we should do what God has called us to, and I respect your desire to follow what God has called you to...as long as you don't try to convince me that they are good and more proper than pants... ;)
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Lee wrote:And once you go back on one thing God had told you, it's much much easier to disobey Him in other areas as well. Bottom line: Ask God what He wants you to wear and obey His leading.
For those of you who are reading the "PHC: Questions Answered" topic, this is what I was trying to say in regards to standards. If you have a personal conviction, and then you disobey God, then it starts a downward spiral into other sins. Thank you Lee. :)
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Lee wrote:And once you go back on one thing God had told you, it's much much easier to disobey Him in other areas as well. Bottom line: Ask God what He wants you to wear and obey His leading.
For those of you who are reading the "PHC: Questions Answered" topic, this is what I was trying to say in regards to standards. If you have a personal conviction, and then you disobey God, then it starts a downward spiral into other sins. Thank you Lee. :)
So let me see if I get this right. Here's a hypothetical situation:

What if my personal conviction (it's not) is that I have to see girls in pants, so whenever I see one in a skirt, I hand her a pair of pants and command her to put them on (in a bathroom of course). I believe that God has told me that. So if I meet Lee, for example, I hand her a pair of pants and command her to put them on. If I don't do that, I'm going against what I believe is my God-given conviction and sinning. But if Lee puts the pants on, she's going against her God-given conviction and sinning. So who's right?

That's why I think this God-given conviction stuff can be a little dangerous sometimes. We always have to go back to the Word--not what we think God is telling us.
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Christian A. wrote:That's why I think this God-given conviction stuff can be a little dangerous sometimes. We always have to go back to the Word--not what we think God is telling us.
This is the quote of the century. Well the later half of it. Because that is what every good reformation has started on. It does not matter if you wear skirts or pants. All of that is petty details. We need to stand united or we are disobeying God. I still think a lot of you are wrong when it comes to Theology. (And I know you think that about me.) But what would a Non-Christian think if they read this thread? We may be the only Christ people see. Live it.
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Lee wrote:And once you go back on one thing God had told you, it's much much easier to disobey Him in other areas as well. Bottom line: Ask God what He wants you to wear and obey His leading.
For those of you who are reading the "PHC: Questions Answered" topic, this is what I was trying to say in regards to standards. If you have a personal conviction, and then you disobey God, then it starts a downward spiral into other sins. Thank you Lee. :)
So let me see if I get this right. Here's a hypothetical situation:

What if my personal conviction (it's not) is that I have to see girls in pants, so whenever I see one in a skirt, I hand her a pair of pants and command her to put them on (in a bathroom of course). I believe that God has told me that. So if I meet Lee, for example, I hand her a pair of pants and command her to put them on. If I don't do that, I'm going against what I believe is my God-given conviction and sinning. But if Lee puts the pants on, she's going against her God-given conviction and sinning. So who's right?

That's why I think this God-given conviction stuff can be a little dangerous sometimes. We always have to go back to the Word--not what we think God is telling us.
I'm sorry, but I can't imagine God ever telling someone to do that. :P And of course we have to go to the Word. That's what we're doing. The Bible tells men not to wear women's clothing and vise versa so we don't do it. Pants have always been considered men's clothing until recently. I believe a lot of the influence of this was from Hollywood, and we don't follow Hollywood styles. :)
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That's why there are women's pants, as there were men's tunics back in the day. ;)
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Termite wrote:That's why there are women's pants, as there were men's tunics back in the day. ;)
Exactly. And there were men in tights in the Middle Ages. And Irish men frequently wear kilts. So why are they allowed to "dress like women" but it's not good for women to "dress like men" by wearing modest pants?
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This is happening. http://thetoo.com/viewtopic.php?f=128&p=970860#p970725 And you guys are arguing about pants... Something is incredibly wrong. Stop talking and start walking.
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Way to tell us to start walking when you're the one condemning us for having a friendly discussion. ;) I'm sure most people have seen the thread. I did, and I prayed. I will do so every time I see it or remember. However, there's nothing wrong with strengthening your own beliefs by bouncing them off someone else.
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