Revolution
The mom's incompetence is so thorough that I can't even be incredulous about it anymore, I just laugh at it because I take it for granted. Whatever situation they're in, something will go wrong because of her, even if it's just something small. She is incapable of doing anything 100% successfully. Case in point: the fight in the fog. Charlie and Miles intentionally use their blades over guns to take out the soldiers in order to keep quiet. The mom takes on her soldier in turn, but is unable to get the upper hand and instead just holds things in a stalemate until he is able to fire his gun and alert everyone to their presence. 
Oh my gosh, I didn't see this one coming at all. First, how can Neville's wife still be alive, and second, why would she be? I said this when Charlie's mom was revealed to be alive last season and I'll repeat it here: there had better be a substantial reason for this, story-wise, or it's just a cheap twist for shock value.
This is going to be interesting. How is he going to proceed now? His vendetta against the Patriots was based entirely on revenge for his wife. Now that she's not dead, assuming he can get her back, there's no reason for him to continue with it. He knows they're bad guys, but he doesn't care. That's Miles and the gang's motivation, stopping whatever they're plotting, his was solely about revenge.
Oh yeah, I forgot about Aaron's hallucinations. Why are they starting again now?
(A second later:)
...ah. Because the nanites are self-aware... and use them to communicate with him. This could well be the downfall of what's left of this show. It's been teetering on the edge of decent with a better second season here, but this may push it off. That is such a dumb direction to go with this.
This may have been the least climactic death so far in the show. There was no reason to think the shot wouldn't come, and this time be for real. She was supposed to have died last episode and the nanites healed her, it would have been too ridiculously convenient to do it again. Of course, it was also too convenient to have her die, because that finally let Aaron go ahead and unleash them on the Patriots in full force meaning 'Oh look, they all just died. Just like that. We win then.'
So what was up with Nate semi-relapsing into the brainwashing last episode? Nothing ever came of it, and he's apparently fine now.
Miles better come out of this somehow, the show would be dead without him. I don't know how they'll fix him though with the nanites presumably out of the picture now.
Who thought it was a good idea to have these midseason breaks? It's the dumbest thing. By the time the show picks back up no one will remember what strings are all being followed, and the sense of immediacy of the cliffhanger(s) will be lost because so much time has passed. It's just a really strange format choice.
Assessing the show at the break, as I did last season, I'm happy to see that my hope has been fulfilled. I am enjoying this season more than the first one. The story is more interesting and engaging from week to week. While I'm still not being swept up and away in enthusiasm for it, I do have a decent desire to follow it along this time instead of just having the mild curiosity I did last season.
Oh, and I know why they had to kill Nora off. She was a Rebel; this is exactly what she wanted: the return of the United States. She wouldn't have been able to handle the revelation that they aren't what she thought they were. It would have been too complicated for the show, having her personal struggle with the reality alongside the actual unraveling of their plot.
Oh my gosh, I didn't see this one coming at all. First, how can Neville's wife still be alive, and second, why would she be? I said this when Charlie's mom was revealed to be alive last season and I'll repeat it here: there had better be a substantial reason for this, story-wise, or it's just a cheap twist for shock value.
This is going to be interesting. How is he going to proceed now? His vendetta against the Patriots was based entirely on revenge for his wife. Now that she's not dead, assuming he can get her back, there's no reason for him to continue with it. He knows they're bad guys, but he doesn't care. That's Miles and the gang's motivation, stopping whatever they're plotting, his was solely about revenge.
Oh yeah, I forgot about Aaron's hallucinations. Why are they starting again now?
(A second later:)
...ah. Because the nanites are self-aware... and use them to communicate with him. This could well be the downfall of what's left of this show. It's been teetering on the edge of decent with a better second season here, but this may push it off. That is such a dumb direction to go with this.
This may have been the least climactic death so far in the show. There was no reason to think the shot wouldn't come, and this time be for real. She was supposed to have died last episode and the nanites healed her, it would have been too ridiculously convenient to do it again. Of course, it was also too convenient to have her die, because that finally let Aaron go ahead and unleash them on the Patriots in full force meaning 'Oh look, they all just died. Just like that. We win then.'
So what was up with Nate semi-relapsing into the brainwashing last episode? Nothing ever came of it, and he's apparently fine now.
Miles better come out of this somehow, the show would be dead without him. I don't know how they'll fix him though with the nanites presumably out of the picture now.
Who thought it was a good idea to have these midseason breaks? It's the dumbest thing. By the time the show picks back up no one will remember what strings are all being followed, and the sense of immediacy of the cliffhanger(s) will be lost because so much time has passed. It's just a really strange format choice.
Assessing the show at the break, as I did last season, I'm happy to see that my hope has been fulfilled. I am enjoying this season more than the first one. The story is more interesting and engaging from week to week. While I'm still not being swept up and away in enthusiasm for it, I do have a decent desire to follow it along this time instead of just having the mild curiosity I did last season.
Oh, and I know why they had to kill Nora off. She was a Rebel; this is exactly what she wanted: the return of the United States. She wouldn't have been able to handle the revelation that they aren't what she thought they were. It would have been too complicated for the show, having her personal struggle with the reality alongside the actual unraveling of their plot.
Finally started on the second half.
Thoughts from Three Amigos:
Woah, what’s going on? Apparently during the show’s break character personalities got flipped around. Miles wants the mom to go with him and Monroe which is very un-Mileslike in its stupidity because we’ve established that she jinxes anything she’s involved with, and the mom is the one that knows it would be a bad idea because she can’t be trusted around Monroe. But she goes anyway.
So Neville has gone from wanting to just kill all the Patriots to instead actually ’become’ one of them, to get onto the power ladder. This will be interesting.
Oh my gosh, they’re going to double split the party? Charlie and her grandfather will be at the meeting point while the adults are looking for Monroe’s son because Aaron is leaving to try tracking down the nanite kid? This is going to be too much to keep track of.
Come on mom, again with this ‘You killed my son’ nonsense? Once more, he chose to be there and do that! Monroe’s only involvement was indirect in that they were his soldiers. But if we’re playing the indirect blame game, you’re more at fault than anyone because if you didn’t create such a fiasco with the nanotech and how you handled it your son wouldn’t have been there because he wouldn’t have been taken instead of your husband because they wouldn’t have gone to get your husband because you wouldn’t have been a prisoner!
Cool, we get to see more of the world here. First look outside of the U.S.
Good idea, go stick your noses in Patriot business while you’re the only two here. That could never go wrong.
The correct follow-up to the exchange:
“Mom said to stay put.”
“Since when do you listen to a word she says?”
Is:
‘I don’t, but Miles said not to go near any Patriots.’
I laughed through the exchange between the mom and Monroe because the irony was ridiculous. She thinks she’s telling him off by saying his son was destined to end up like him simply because he’s his son - well guess what, that means you’re confirming that your family’s stupidity is hereditary. You’re a complete idiot, so no wonder your son and daughter both are too, because they’re your children!
Ha, the oranges are infected. I saw that coming. The question is, with what?
Thoughts from Three Amigos:
Woah, what’s going on? Apparently during the show’s break character personalities got flipped around. Miles wants the mom to go with him and Monroe which is very un-Mileslike in its stupidity because we’ve established that she jinxes anything she’s involved with, and the mom is the one that knows it would be a bad idea because she can’t be trusted around Monroe. But she goes anyway.
So Neville has gone from wanting to just kill all the Patriots to instead actually ’become’ one of them, to get onto the power ladder. This will be interesting.
Oh my gosh, they’re going to double split the party? Charlie and her grandfather will be at the meeting point while the adults are looking for Monroe’s son because Aaron is leaving to try tracking down the nanite kid? This is going to be too much to keep track of.
Come on mom, again with this ‘You killed my son’ nonsense? Once more, he chose to be there and do that! Monroe’s only involvement was indirect in that they were his soldiers. But if we’re playing the indirect blame game, you’re more at fault than anyone because if you didn’t create such a fiasco with the nanotech and how you handled it your son wouldn’t have been there because he wouldn’t have been taken instead of your husband because they wouldn’t have gone to get your husband because you wouldn’t have been a prisoner!
Cool, we get to see more of the world here. First look outside of the U.S.
Good idea, go stick your noses in Patriot business while you’re the only two here. That could never go wrong.
The correct follow-up to the exchange:
“Mom said to stay put.”
“Since when do you listen to a word she says?”
Is:
‘I don’t, but Miles said not to go near any Patriots.’
I laughed through the exchange between the mom and Monroe because the irony was ridiculous. She thinks she’s telling him off by saying his son was destined to end up like him simply because he’s his son - well guess what, that means you’re confirming that your family’s stupidity is hereditary. You’re a complete idiot, so no wonder your son and daughter both are too, because they’re your children!
Ha, the oranges are infected. I saw that coming. The question is, with what?
Mis Dos Padres:
Whaat? Never thought Aaron’s wife would come back into things.
I can’t tell what’s up with Neville’s wife. Is she just being like this because she wants to be sure they do things right, or does she maybe not actually want to go back to him, she’s playing all her options to see what gets her the most?
Great, Miles is caught now too so it’s up to the mom to save him and Monroe on her own. They’re doomed.
Stupid dad thinks it’s a good idea to go two against an army and infiltrate the encampment and they get caught. Didn’t see that coming, I was pretty sure they could pull the raid off. (Not.)
I’m glad Conner came around, but is he going to join the group now? Because if so, that’s kind of a cheap repeat from season one, when Neville’s son was estranged and eventually came around and now it’s father and son off doing stuff.
(A minute later:)
Okay, maybe he hasn’t come completely around. I thought since he left with them everything was good, but actually he had no choice there. We have to see how things play out to see the final situation.
(A minute later:)
Hmm, I see what’s happening here. Conner lost his luxury and power because of what happened, so he’s going with Monroe because he wants to get in on reforming the Republic so he can get the ‘good life’ back. So he hasn’t actually come around relationship-wise at all, this isn’t about his dad it’s just about him.
Way to go Jason. Now it doesn’t matter whether the wife is on the level or not, because whichever plan was going to be used you ruined it.
So this one Patriot thing is actually legitimate? Among all the subversion behind everything else they do, this is really just to fight a coming disease? I wonder if this is real or if they actually caused the outbreak as another ploy to strengthen their control over the town. Speaking of which, did we ever determine exactly why they do want this particular town so badly? I don’t remember.
Whaat? Never thought Aaron’s wife would come back into things.
I can’t tell what’s up with Neville’s wife. Is she just being like this because she wants to be sure they do things right, or does she maybe not actually want to go back to him, she’s playing all her options to see what gets her the most?
Great, Miles is caught now too so it’s up to the mom to save him and Monroe on her own. They’re doomed.
Stupid dad thinks it’s a good idea to go two against an army and infiltrate the encampment and they get caught. Didn’t see that coming, I was pretty sure they could pull the raid off. (Not.)
I’m glad Conner came around, but is he going to join the group now? Because if so, that’s kind of a cheap repeat from season one, when Neville’s son was estranged and eventually came around and now it’s father and son off doing stuff.
(A minute later:)
Okay, maybe he hasn’t come completely around. I thought since he left with them everything was good, but actually he had no choice there. We have to see how things play out to see the final situation.
(A minute later:)
Hmm, I see what’s happening here. Conner lost his luxury and power because of what happened, so he’s going with Monroe because he wants to get in on reforming the Republic so he can get the ‘good life’ back. So he hasn’t actually come around relationship-wise at all, this isn’t about his dad it’s just about him.
Way to go Jason. Now it doesn’t matter whether the wife is on the level or not, because whichever plan was going to be used you ruined it.
So this one Patriot thing is actually legitimate? Among all the subversion behind everything else they do, this is really just to fight a coming disease? I wonder if this is real or if they actually caused the outbreak as another ploy to strengthen their control over the town. Speaking of which, did we ever determine exactly why they do want this particular town so badly? I don’t remember.
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Sorry, bookworm, I've kind of left you to yourself in these commentaries since the break.
Honestly after the season break I seriously considered stopping watching the show, just because I didn't really like how Aaron's story turned out. I was afraid that he was going to turn evil and used the nanites to kill more people. I'm glad they didn't do that.
I'll just throw out a couple of thoughts on the episode you've covered so far:
I must have missed a scene about the oranges being poisoned. Did they show that on screen?
I think the Nevilles storyline is interesting. I can never tell which side he (or any of his family for that matter) is on. I'm pretty sure Jason is mostly good though. I still haven't a clue whether Julia is even on Tom's side or not. All I know is that she will do anything to keep her son safe.
I was glad to see Aaron meet Grace again though. I've missed her character. As long as it actually is Grace...
Interesting that Priscilla has been seeing similar things to Aaron due to them being the "parents" of the nanites. I wonder who Peter is...
Monroe & son... I'll admit they did a good job casting his son, looks just like him.
I'll comment on one theory that has been all but confirmed by lines in this and other episodes. Charlie is Miles' daughter not Ben's. Monroe insinuates this to Miles when he asks him if he wouldn't do the same for Charlie as Monroe did for his son.
Honestly after the season break I seriously considered stopping watching the show, just because I didn't really like how Aaron's story turned out. I was afraid that he was going to turn evil and used the nanites to kill more people. I'm glad they didn't do that.
I'll just throw out a couple of thoughts on the episode you've covered so far:
I must have missed a scene about the oranges being poisoned. Did they show that on screen?
I think the Nevilles storyline is interesting. I can never tell which side he (or any of his family for that matter) is on. I'm pretty sure Jason is mostly good though. I still haven't a clue whether Julia is even on Tom's side or not. All I know is that she will do anything to keep her son safe.
I was glad to see Aaron meet Grace again though. I've missed her character. As long as it actually is Grace...
Interesting that Priscilla has been seeing similar things to Aaron due to them being the "parents" of the nanites. I wonder who Peter is...Monroe & son... I'll admit they did a good job casting his son, looks just like him.
I'll comment on one theory that has been all but confirmed by lines in this and other episodes. Charlie is Miles' daughter not Ben's. Monroe insinuates this to Miles when he asks him if he wouldn't do the same for Charlie as Monroe did for his son.
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In a quick shot at the end of the episode you see them injecting them with something before passing them out to the crowd.BlessedCheesemaker wrote:I must have missed a scene about the oranges being poisoned. Did they show that on screen?
I totally did not read anything into that, I thought he just meant because of how much he cares for her through all that’s happened. Which is reasonable for an uncle. If you’re correct, that’s a crazy twist. Not sure how I would feel about it.BlessedCheesemaker wrote:Monroe insinuates this to Miles when he asks him if he wouldn't do the same for Charlie as Monroe did for his son.
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Captain Trips:
The flashbacks are back. I was just wondering if we were done with them.
Heh, called it after all, The Patriots did cause it. This would be what they were putting in the oranges then I assume.
I wonder if they’re actually going to play out this ‘retake the Republic’ thing once the Patriots are dealt with. I think it would be a very interesting arc to follow. Because I really think Monroe is a changed person. I mean, he’s not exactly one of the good guys now, but I think he knows things got out of hand and went down the wrong path before. If he does try this again, I think it won’t just be retaking, but reforming. I would really love to see him do it right. Because it started out as a good thing, he wanted to unite the people so they could live better. I think if he goes at it now, he can do it the right way. The tricky points, which would be explored in the story, would be things like though he can do it right now, would he, or would he be tempted to go dictator again, and would the public accept his rule again after finally being free from it or would they refuse to believe that it would be different this time.
Ah, this is what Jason alluded to before. The Patriots are starting to weed out ‘undesirable’ people from their towns. I don’t know what that’s going to accomplish in the big picture, but that could just be because we still don’t know what the big picture is.
So much for working up the Patriot ladder, now Neville and his wife have to force action to get Jason back. That’s going to preclude any chance of going back to playing their roles.
Wow, that sure went wrong. Don’t know how either of them, or Jason for that matter, will get out of this one.
That also went wrong. How did they know something was up? Smart move by Conner getting him away from the safe before opening it though, I knew there would be a gun in there. That was refreshing after watching Charlie and the mom ruin good plans like this by not having those quick thoughts.
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I hope Monroe has changed, or is it just that we understand now more how he became what he became? I still don't exactly trust him fully. He'll help Miles to get rid of the patriots, but something is still going to go down between him and Rachel.bookworm wrote:I wonder if they’re actually going to play out this ‘retake the Republic’ thing once the Patriots are dealt with. I think it would be a very interesting arc to follow. Because I really think Monroe is a changed person. I mean, he’s not exactly one of the good guys now, but I think he knows things got out of hand and went down the wrong path before. If he does try this again, I think it won’t just be retaking, but reforming. I would really love to see him do it right. Because it started out as a good thing, he wanted to unite the people so they could live better. I think if he goes at it now, he can do it the right way. The tricky points, which would be explored in the story, would be things like though he can do it right now, would he, or would he be tempted to go dictator again, and would the public accept his rule again after finally being free from it or would they refuse to believe that it would be different this time.
I heard a theory that actually Julia betrayed Tom to her current husband in exchange for Jason. I'm still not sure whose side she really is on, but I don't know if I completely believe the theory either.bookworm wrote:So much for working up the Patriot ladder, now Neville and his wife have to force action to get Jason back. That’s going to preclude any chance of going back to playing their roles.
Wow, that sure went wrong. Don’t know how either of them, or Jason for that matter, will get out of this one.
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Happy Endings:
False cliffhanger! There was never any real suspense, Miles and Monroe were there as backup. I should have known.
I don’t know if they should have let that Patriot guy live. It seems like they shouldn’t want him knowing they’re running around there, especially since he knows Monroe isn’t dead now.
Now this is an interesting direction. Neville gets Jason back, but they now have to go get Monroe for the Patriots because they still have his wife. I don’t exactly remember where Neville and Monroe left off here. Is he going to be for this task because he resents him from the stuff that happened in season one? As far as I can recall, they were on opposing sides when they last met. Neville had switched to Georgia, so even though they were together at the Tower in the finale they were still enemies. I don’t think anything has changed since then on his end, so he doesn’t know Monroe is on their side now. That’s assuming he is still on Miles’ side.
It’s going to be very interesting to see how this goes. If his wife wasn’t an issue here I would think he could come around to accepting Monroe has the same objective here now, whatever may have happened before, and go back to fighting against the Patriots and they could all join forces and make some real progress. But I don’t see how he could do that as things stand now, even if he wanted to, which is still questionable whether he would want to, with his wife prisoner.
Lol, the show is sticking with the same pattern I see. This time it’s before they can fight the Patriots they need to get Monroe’s friend.
Can no one else see the fireflies? I didn’t realize that was part of the hallucinations. It makes sense though, it’s another way Aaron and his wife can see when the nanites are active, like the human manifestations.
So this guy has been directing the nanites as well. That makes sense, he’s the third creator so they have a connection to him too. Like Aaron’s other wife he attributed it to God, but because he caused it instead of just witnessing it he goes and becomes a preacher/healer. Not sure where this is going to go. Or why it has to go anywhere. The nanites have been pushing the three together, they obviously want them to find each other, but why? Is there some ultimate goal that’s supposed to come out of this?
Casino heist to pay for the mercenaries. This is going to be good.
Hmm, so the guy believes them about the nanites, but doesn’t want the other people to believe. That’s an interesting angle.
Wow, that was way too easy. The guard really puts down the huge box of diamonds to take care of a few loose ones that spilled? I don’t think so.
Oh come on! How did this go wrong, the mom wasn’t there! These are three of the most competent people on the show, they should have been able to pull this off. Even though I knew it was a bad plan.
I don’t get it. Monroe was taking dives to buy time for the robbery. So if he could actually win the fight, why did they hold the robbery in the first place? Why don’t they just use the prize money to pay the lady? Because even if they did pull off the heist, the whole city would hear about it and that would have made her suspicious of their money. But they didn’t even pull it off, they were caught in the act, so now not only do they not have their mercenaries, they’re also in serious trouble and probably not going to be able to even leave.
False cliffhanger! There was never any real suspense, Miles and Monroe were there as backup. I should have known.
I don’t know if they should have let that Patriot guy live. It seems like they shouldn’t want him knowing they’re running around there, especially since he knows Monroe isn’t dead now.
Now this is an interesting direction. Neville gets Jason back, but they now have to go get Monroe for the Patriots because they still have his wife. I don’t exactly remember where Neville and Monroe left off here. Is he going to be for this task because he resents him from the stuff that happened in season one? As far as I can recall, they were on opposing sides when they last met. Neville had switched to Georgia, so even though they were together at the Tower in the finale they were still enemies. I don’t think anything has changed since then on his end, so he doesn’t know Monroe is on their side now. That’s assuming he is still on Miles’ side.
It’s going to be very interesting to see how this goes. If his wife wasn’t an issue here I would think he could come around to accepting Monroe has the same objective here now, whatever may have happened before, and go back to fighting against the Patriots and they could all join forces and make some real progress. But I don’t see how he could do that as things stand now, even if he wanted to, which is still questionable whether he would want to, with his wife prisoner.
Lol, the show is sticking with the same pattern I see. This time it’s before they can fight the Patriots they need to get Monroe’s friend.
Can no one else see the fireflies? I didn’t realize that was part of the hallucinations. It makes sense though, it’s another way Aaron and his wife can see when the nanites are active, like the human manifestations.
So this guy has been directing the nanites as well. That makes sense, he’s the third creator so they have a connection to him too. Like Aaron’s other wife he attributed it to God, but because he caused it instead of just witnessing it he goes and becomes a preacher/healer. Not sure where this is going to go. Or why it has to go anywhere. The nanites have been pushing the three together, they obviously want them to find each other, but why? Is there some ultimate goal that’s supposed to come out of this?
Casino heist to pay for the mercenaries. This is going to be good.
Hmm, so the guy believes them about the nanites, but doesn’t want the other people to believe. That’s an interesting angle.
Wow, that was way too easy. The guard really puts down the huge box of diamonds to take care of a few loose ones that spilled? I don’t think so.
Oh come on! How did this go wrong, the mom wasn’t there! These are three of the most competent people on the show, they should have been able to pull this off. Even though I knew it was a bad plan.
I don’t get it. Monroe was taking dives to buy time for the robbery. So if he could actually win the fight, why did they hold the robbery in the first place? Why don’t they just use the prize money to pay the lady? Because even if they did pull off the heist, the whole city would hear about it and that would have made her suspicious of their money. But they didn’t even pull it off, they were caught in the act, so now not only do they not have their mercenaries, they’re also in serious trouble and probably not going to be able to even leave.
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I think Neville is firmly on his own side. I'm still not sure about his wife, if she's still alive and if she's still on his side, but more on that on a later episodebookworm wrote: Now this is an interesting direction. Neville gets Jason back, but they now have to go get Monroe for the Patriots because they still have his wife. I don’t exactly remember where Neville and Monroe left off here. Is he going to be for this task because he resents him from the stuff that happened in season one? As far as I can recall, they were on opposing sides when they last met. Neville had switched to Georgia, so even though they were together at the Tower in the finale they were still enemies. I don’t think anything has changed since then on his end, so he doesn’t know Monroe is on their side now. That’s assuming he is still on Miles’ side.
It’s going to be very interesting to see how this goes. If his wife wasn’t an issue here I would think he could come around to accepting Monroe has the same objective here now, whatever may have happened before, and go back to fighting against the Patriots and they could all join forces and make some real progress. But I don’t see how he could do that as things stand now, even if he wanted to, which is still questionable whether he would want to, with his wife prisoner.
I've never really thought about that, but maybe they are the only ones who can see them.bookworm wrote: Can no one else see the fireflies? I didn’t realize that was part of the hallucinations. It makes sense though, it’s another way Aaron and his wife can see when the nanites are active, like the human manifestations.
I was really unsure about where they were going with this. I kind of liked him at first, but then he ended up being kind of psychotic almost.bookworm wrote: So this guy has been directing the nanites as well. That makes sense, he’s the third creator so they have a connection to him too. Like Aaron’s other wife he attributed it to God, but because he caused it instead of just witnessing it he goes and becomes a preacher/healer. Not sure where this is going to go. Or why it has to go anywhere. The nanites have been pushing the three together, they obviously want them to find each other, but why? Is there some ultimate goal that’s supposed to come out of this?
I have problems with this whole heist thing. It wouldn't work. Where would they find an exact copy of the diamond box AND one that has the same lock on it? (They opened it with the key to find it empty)bookworm wrote: Casino heist to pay for the mercenaries. This is going to be good.
Oh come on! How did this go wrong, the mom wasn’t there! These are three of the most competent people on the show, they should have been able to pull this off. Even though I knew it was a bad plan.
I don’t get it. Monroe was taking dives to buy time for the robbery. So if he could actually win the fight, why did they hold the robbery in the first place? Why don’t they just use the prize money to pay the lady? Because even if they did pull off the heist, the whole city would hear about it and that would have made her suspicious of their money. But they didn't even pull it off, they were caught in the act, so now not only do they not have their mercenaries, they’re also in serious trouble and probably not going to be able to even leave.
Fear and Loathing:
This episode had some more character development for Monroe, some interesting things happening to Aaron and Priscilla, and the Nevilles and Mathesons working together?!?!
Monroe and Conner are caught and have to fight to the death. Monroe tries to convince Conner that he should kill him and escape to reclaim the Monroe Republic. He tells Connor that he killed his mother and even tells Connor Monroe's secret weakness, I wonder if he will regret that by the end of the season...
Charlie manages to evade escape to make it back to Duncan, who unfortunately decides not the help at all, but turns her over to Monroe's ex-ringmaster. She ends up chained to a bed before she pulls a princess Leia move and kills Jabba, I mean the guy, with the chain and escapes just in time to save Duncan's life at the cage fight (convenient much?). Duncan immediately believes her, helps to free Connor and Monroe, kills the ringmaster and provides Charlie (not Monroe) with the troops they need. I kind of liked Duncan, too bad we'll never see her again
Back in Texas, Miles and Neville try to spring a trap on Doyle to figure out what is going on in the camp and end up holding guns on on each other in a good old fashioned Mexican Standoff ("or as they call it in Mexico, just a standoff" - great line
)And finally, Aaron and Priscilla are being persuaded by Peter and the nanites to fix the code. Priscilla doesn't want to help, but Aaron convinces her that they have no choice. after writing code all over the wall, Aaron recognizes a section that could be causing the problem. A computer wakes up and Aaron begins typing, but Peter and Priscilla realize he's not fixing the code, he's breaking it. Aaron knocks Peter out so he can't stop him, finishes typing. All the lights explode and Aaron blacks out....
Only to awaken to an alarm clock in 2014 with the power fully restored. What is going on? (to be continued)
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Ah, this is why the nano finally activated, because it needs them to fix it. I’ve gone back and forth on the best course here. First I was with Aaron’s wife, it would be best to just let it die. But then I was with Aaron because as he said, if they don’t help it forget what Peter might do, it will punish you itself. But then I was with his wife again, in the big picture it’s better if it dies, even if it means sacrificing themselves to ensure that happens. But that made me realize something. They’re the only ones that can do anything about this. So if they die, the nano definitely dies. So that means it wouldn’t actually do anything to them, because even if they say they won’t help they still have the potential to. The nano needs them alive. So it actually seems like they hold all the card here whichever they decide to do, as long as they can get Peter to agree. But then I realized it would probably just turn to threatening their friends if they don’t help, so I don’t know.
I love Miles so much. No one else would have thought quick enough to cross Neville’s double cross. He is such a welcome display of fresh thinking and sense when he gets involved in the action. And I hate to say it, but this is the one time it’s good the mom is a stubborn idiot incapable of doing what people demand.
Good, Neville is coming clean. Now please agree to work together somehow, you guys can figure this out. I’m sure Miles can help rescue your wife somehow and then you’re free to do whatever you want to the Patriots.
(A second later:)
This is a good sign, he’s acknowledging that once he gets her back he’s totally in for joining forces and causing damage. The only problem is he still wants Monroe so he can do that. They need to get past that part and all work together. He seems much less open to that idea than I thought he would be though. Which is understandable, but disappointing.
You’re kidding. They get the mercenaries, but they’re under Charlie’s command? That had better just be a temporary arrangement.
There you go Aaron, well done. The whole thing was an act because the nano was watching. He intended to kill it all along, he just couldn’t let it look like it.
(A minute later:)
Uh... not the effect I expected that to have.
Ah, this is why the nano finally activated, because it needs them to fix it. I’ve gone back and forth on the best course here. First I was with Aaron’s wife, it would be best to just let it die. But then I was with Aaron because as he said, if they don’t help it forget what Peter might do, it will punish you itself. But then I was with his wife again, in the big picture it’s better if it dies, even if it means sacrificing themselves to ensure that happens. But that made me realize something. They’re the only ones that can do anything about this. So if they die, the nano definitely dies. So that means it wouldn’t actually do anything to them, because even if they say they won’t help they still have the potential to. The nano needs them alive. So it actually seems like they hold all the card here whichever they decide to do, as long as they can get Peter to agree. But then I realized it would probably just turn to threatening their friends if they don’t help, so I don’t know.
I love Miles so much. No one else would have thought quick enough to cross Neville’s double cross. He is such a welcome display of fresh thinking and sense when he gets involved in the action. And I hate to say it, but this is the one time it’s good the mom is a stubborn idiot incapable of doing what people demand.
Good, Neville is coming clean. Now please agree to work together somehow, you guys can figure this out. I’m sure Miles can help rescue your wife somehow and then you’re free to do whatever you want to the Patriots.
(A second later:)
This is a good sign, he’s acknowledging that once he gets her back he’s totally in for joining forces and causing damage. The only problem is he still wants Monroe so he can do that. They need to get past that part and all work together. He seems much less open to that idea than I thought he would be though. Which is understandable, but disappointing.
You’re kidding. They get the mercenaries, but they’re under Charlie’s command? That had better just be a temporary arrangement.
There you go Aaron, well done. The whole thing was an act because the nano was watching. He intended to kill it all along, he just couldn’t let it look like it.
(A minute later:)
Uh... not the effect I expected that to have.
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Dreamcatcher:
I kind of figured from the beginning that none of this would be real, because of the name of the episode and the fact that he went back in time, but still after the blackout.
I liked how all of the character had parts similar to what they were pre-blackout, but not completely correct. Tom Neville was a lower level agent in a insurance company, so I doubt it was named after him. Aaron worked for Google, but here he owns his own company. Here though, the nanites worked as promised and are being used to remove the power in the hideout towns of terrorists. I'm not really sure how that helps take them out, but whatever.
Two guys ask Aaron to fix part of the code for the big presentation. And that's when I knew for sure this was all the nanites trying to get Aaron to fix them. Charlie arrives, killing the guys and still wearing her post-blackout outfit.
Interesting that the nanites (or Aaron's brain) choose Horn as the face of the pursuers. Horn kills Charlie, but she tells him to fight them.
Aaron decides to go to Chicago and get Rachel's help to defeat the nanites. And that's when everything turns into the Matrix. Aaron makes a gun appear out of midair to convince Rachel to help him and then changes Miles and Monroe from drunks in hotel room to the fighting machines he knows post-Blackout.
They decide that the only way for Aaron to escape his dream is to jump off a roof to wake up. When he does, he's only up one level (a.k.a. Inception), where Horn is about to torture him to get the code to fix the nanites. But Aaron is done with this and breaks free, willing himself back to Lubbock. He wakes up to a burning computer and he and Priscilla leave as dead fireflies drop to the ground.
When they arrive back in Texas, Rachel and Miles show them a electronics store where Patriots are collecting computers. All of the sudden, the dying nanites release an electrical storm that kills the Patriots. Aaron and the others take cover in the store, but a bolt strikes Rachel. Miles begs Aaron to do something. Aaron turns to the computer and inputs the fixed code...
Silence
It was all another dream engineered by the nanites to get the code, none of it had really happened. Horn (as the nanite's voice) tells Aaron that they are healthy again and can move on to bigger things now.
Aaron finally wakes up (for real, I hope) in Lubbock and Peter lets him and Priscilla leave.
Definitely a strange episode with several twists and turns. It makes me wonder if we should be more concerned with the nanites, instead of the Patriots. Really, though, only Peter, Aaron, and Priscilla know that the nanites are self aware now. Or did Aaron tell Rachel before he left?
I kind of figured from the beginning that none of this would be real, because of the name of the episode and the fact that he went back in time, but still after the blackout.
I liked how all of the character had parts similar to what they were pre-blackout, but not completely correct. Tom Neville was a lower level agent in a insurance company, so I doubt it was named after him. Aaron worked for Google, but here he owns his own company. Here though, the nanites worked as promised and are being used to remove the power in the hideout towns of terrorists. I'm not really sure how that helps take them out, but whatever.
Two guys ask Aaron to fix part of the code for the big presentation. And that's when I knew for sure this was all the nanites trying to get Aaron to fix them. Charlie arrives, killing the guys and still wearing her post-blackout outfit.
Interesting that the nanites (or Aaron's brain) choose Horn as the face of the pursuers. Horn kills Charlie, but she tells him to fight them.
Aaron decides to go to Chicago and get Rachel's help to defeat the nanites. And that's when everything turns into the Matrix. Aaron makes a gun appear out of midair to convince Rachel to help him and then changes Miles and Monroe from drunks in hotel room to the fighting machines he knows post-Blackout.
They decide that the only way for Aaron to escape his dream is to jump off a roof to wake up. When he does, he's only up one level (a.k.a. Inception), where Horn is about to torture him to get the code to fix the nanites. But Aaron is done with this and breaks free, willing himself back to Lubbock. He wakes up to a burning computer and he and Priscilla leave as dead fireflies drop to the ground.
When they arrive back in Texas, Rachel and Miles show them a electronics store where Patriots are collecting computers. All of the sudden, the dying nanites release an electrical storm that kills the Patriots. Aaron and the others take cover in the store, but a bolt strikes Rachel. Miles begs Aaron to do something. Aaron turns to the computer and inputs the fixed code...
Silence
It was all another dream engineered by the nanites to get the code, none of it had really happened. Horn (as the nanite's voice) tells Aaron that they are healthy again and can move on to bigger things now.
Aaron finally wakes up (for real, I hope) in Lubbock and Peter lets him and Priscilla leave.
Definitely a strange episode with several twists and turns. It makes me wonder if we should be more concerned with the nanites, instead of the Patriots. Really, though, only Peter, Aaron, and Priscilla know that the nanites are self aware now. Or did Aaron tell Rachel before he left?
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Now this is cool. An actual preblackout setting. I’m not sure why we’re here, I don’t think killing the nano could have made them go back in time, but I like it, whatever this is. Good change of scenery.
Okay, so this can’t be real then. Because Charlie wouldn’t be grown up if they were actually back in time. And also the killing people and stuff. So definitely some kind of dream or something.
I see what’s happening here. The nano isn’t actually dead yet, they stuck Aaron in this virtual reality right before he was able to finish the virus to trick him into fixing them since he wasn’t going to do it willingly.
Aha, finally an explanation of what happened after they flipped the power on and why it went off again. It didn’t. It’s been turned on all this time, it was just being blocked by the nano.
Oh my gosh, for real Aaron? The mom is dying so now all of a sudden you’re totally fine with fixing the code, right on the cusp of finally beating this thing? What in the world?
(A second later:)
Oh for goodness sake! It wasn’t even real anyway, it was a hallucination inside the hallucination! That is just ridiculous. Not the trick, that was good, but that it worked. It was so out of line for him to suddenly just be like ‘Yeah I’ll fix it, of course’ out of nowhere like that, I really don’t get it.
So it does get fixed. Great. I knew they almost certainly would end up fixing it eventually though because if the nano died it would close off the most important storyline of the show (from the view of the writers anyway, I personally don’t care much about that part of the show anymore).
I liked this episode a lot. Except the very end of the story, like I said Aaron’s immediate turnaround seemed really forced. But the episode itself was great. It was like the Stargate episodes about parallel universes. It’s got all the characters in it, and they’re still themselves, but they’re also not. And on top of that premise was a great psychological layer akin to The Matrix about who has control. Really good stuff, nice change of pace.
Now this is cool. An actual preblackout setting. I’m not sure why we’re here, I don’t think killing the nano could have made them go back in time, but I like it, whatever this is. Good change of scenery.
Okay, so this can’t be real then. Because Charlie wouldn’t be grown up if they were actually back in time. And also the killing people and stuff. So definitely some kind of dream or something.
I see what’s happening here. The nano isn’t actually dead yet, they stuck Aaron in this virtual reality right before he was able to finish the virus to trick him into fixing them since he wasn’t going to do it willingly.
Aha, finally an explanation of what happened after they flipped the power on and why it went off again. It didn’t. It’s been turned on all this time, it was just being blocked by the nano.
Oh my gosh, for real Aaron? The mom is dying so now all of a sudden you’re totally fine with fixing the code, right on the cusp of finally beating this thing? What in the world?
(A second later:)
Oh for goodness sake! It wasn’t even real anyway, it was a hallucination inside the hallucination! That is just ridiculous. Not the trick, that was good, but that it worked. It was so out of line for him to suddenly just be like ‘Yeah I’ll fix it, of course’ out of nowhere like that, I really don’t get it.
So it does get fixed. Great. I knew they almost certainly would end up fixing it eventually though because if the nano died it would close off the most important storyline of the show (from the view of the writers anyway, I personally don’t care much about that part of the show anymore).
I liked this episode a lot. Except the very end of the story, like I said Aaron’s immediate turnaround seemed really forced. But the episode itself was great. It was like the Stargate episodes about parallel universes. It’s got all the characters in it, and they’re still themselves, but they’re also not. And on top of that premise was a great psychological layer akin to The Matrix about who has control. Really good stuff, nice change of pace.
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Revolution Season 2 Episode 16: "Exposition Boulevard"
This episode was interesting because we actually get flashbacks to the founding of the Patriots and learn more about what goes on in a re-education camp.
I'm not really sure where Rachel's new found stance against killing came from. I don't disagree with it and she provides Miles with some of the reasoning for her desire to save the two kids, but it kind of seemed to come out of left field. She even convinces Miles to let the boy live at the end when Neville attacks.
We find out that the cadets are trained to respond to Patriot orders whenever the number tattooed into their eye is read. It was pretty gruesome when the girl's number was read by her father and then she shot him and killed herself when she saw she couldn't escape.
And now the Patriots have the perfect spy on Neville: Jason. I wonder if that is how Doyle knew about Neville and Julia's plan to trick him. Hmm...
This episode was interesting because we actually get flashbacks to the founding of the Patriots and learn more about what goes on in a re-education camp.
I'm not really sure where Rachel's new found stance against killing came from. I don't disagree with it and she provides Miles with some of the reasoning for her desire to save the two kids, but it kind of seemed to come out of left field. She even convinces Miles to let the boy live at the end when Neville attacks.
We find out that the cadets are trained to respond to Patriot orders whenever the number tattooed into their eye is read. It was pretty gruesome when the girl's number was read by her father and then she shot him and killed herself when she saw she couldn't escape.
And now the Patriots have the perfect spy on Neville: Jason. I wonder if that is how Doyle knew about Neville and Julia's plan to trick him. Hmm...
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So the camps are more than just conditioning, it’s straight up brainwashing. That’s not good.
“I'm tired of doing the smart thing.” How would you know, you haven’t done one solitary smart thing in the entire run of this show! That whole speech was beyond facepalm. “I was smart about setting off the nanotech.” Clearly not, look at all the trouble it caused. “I was smart about leaving my family.” Again, obviously not, you were the reason everything bad in the first season happened. “Smart cost me my son.” For the love of anything, are we still on that nonsense? For the umpteenth time your son’s death is on no one but your son. Unless you want to backtrack all the way to saying if you had been there they wouldn’t have come for your son and he wouldn’t have been in that situation, but in that case it’s still not a result of your being smart, it’s of you being an idiot as it always is! “I'm tired of doing the smart thing. For once let’s do the right thing.” These two are not mutually exclusive! Miles has been doing the right thing. You are the one that hasn’t. It’s not because you’ve been smart, it’s because you’re so not smart you can’t realize what the actual right thing is.
I can’t believe after all that nothing came of the Neville/Monroe situation. Neville didn’t get Monroe, one side didn’t even capture the other guy’s son. It echoed of that time Miles finally met up with Monroe for the first time last season but nothing at all came of it, the confrontation ended exactly where it began. Just an action scene for action sake, no affect on the story whatsoever.
Loved the backstory on the origin of the Patriots, it answered some long standing questions. This really isn’t America. It’s under the name and the structure, for practicality, but it’s really not. Just like the Monroe Republic, or the Georgia Federation, or anything else that rose out of the blackout, it’s a new power designed by new people for their own purposes.
Neville just keeps getting better. Ally with certain Patriots to take out other Patriots as part of his true goal of getting rid of all the Patriots.
Oh good, something is going on with Aaron’s wife now. That’s what this story needs, more nano related intrigue.
So the camps are more than just conditioning, it’s straight up brainwashing. That’s not good.
“I'm tired of doing the smart thing.” How would you know, you haven’t done one solitary smart thing in the entire run of this show! That whole speech was beyond facepalm. “I was smart about setting off the nanotech.” Clearly not, look at all the trouble it caused. “I was smart about leaving my family.” Again, obviously not, you were the reason everything bad in the first season happened. “Smart cost me my son.” For the love of anything, are we still on that nonsense? For the umpteenth time your son’s death is on no one but your son. Unless you want to backtrack all the way to saying if you had been there they wouldn’t have come for your son and he wouldn’t have been in that situation, but in that case it’s still not a result of your being smart, it’s of you being an idiot as it always is! “I'm tired of doing the smart thing. For once let’s do the right thing.” These two are not mutually exclusive! Miles has been doing the right thing. You are the one that hasn’t. It’s not because you’ve been smart, it’s because you’re so not smart you can’t realize what the actual right thing is.
I can’t believe after all that nothing came of the Neville/Monroe situation. Neville didn’t get Monroe, one side didn’t even capture the other guy’s son. It echoed of that time Miles finally met up with Monroe for the first time last season but nothing at all came of it, the confrontation ended exactly where it began. Just an action scene for action sake, no affect on the story whatsoever.
Loved the backstory on the origin of the Patriots, it answered some long standing questions. This really isn’t America. It’s under the name and the structure, for practicality, but it’s really not. Just like the Monroe Republic, or the Georgia Federation, or anything else that rose out of the blackout, it’s a new power designed by new people for their own purposes.
Neville just keeps getting better. Ally with certain Patriots to take out other Patriots as part of his true goal of getting rid of all the Patriots.
Oh good, something is going on with Aaron’s wife now. That’s what this story needs, more nano related intrigue.