That's why I said I would still like to see it. It looks interesting.Jelly wrote:It's never, ever safe to judge a film from its trailer, especially in this case.
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Ken Ham doesn't know the first thing about what makes a good story. He also has a troubling and problematic way of interpreting the Bible.
...COINCIDENCE?
...COINCIDENCE?
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Fallacy of false continuum. // bookworm
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Believe me, I know. My respect for Ken Ham and the person who posted the article is pretty low. I just meant that his article made made me actually want to see the movie, instead of just being indifferent about it. The fact that he hates it so much without even seeing it makes me think it might just be good.
It's what happens when Christians form a culture defined by what offends them, abstaining from the more difficult (but more rewarding) task of putting faith in a God who loves, inspires and shows extravagant grace to those who earnestly seek after him. It's a pseudo-Christianity. A political extremism rather than a faith-based lifestyle.
It's like when one of those Christian 'reviews' carelessly condemns a film for superficial reasons - I find that often to be a stamp of approval.Petrichor wrote:The fact that he hates it so much without even seeing it makes me think it might just be good.
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Fallacy of false continuum. // bookworm
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While I do wish they had stuck closer to the real story, I'm still going to see it because Russell Crowe is the main actor.
While I do wish they had stuck closer to the real story, I'm still going to see it because Russell Crowe is the main actor.
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"Artistic license" doesn't even begin to cover the monstrosity that is this film. It's the only movie I had ever walked out on to go use the restroom. I even stayed out for a while just to kill time before the rainbow (which was a firework/ripple effect ) and used the lovely internet to fill in the 20 minute gap I missed.
No one is going to ever be able to excuse it. I wanted to enjoy it; I really did, especially going in. One of the ladies mentioned before we left if we needed to walk out we could and I was like "No way! I'm going against the Christianese mold here!" Meh. Unfortunately, it fell waaaaay below anything I dared anticipate. The music was dull, the animals were so freakishly CGI, and the outfits were... historically inaccurate. (more on that down in spoiler. Go all the way to the bottom and read the last line. It's so pathetic I dare not post it for the public eye to see.)
My biggest complaint is actually something I read in a PluggedIn review and agreed with: people try to be so faithful to convert books and other stories to film in the best way possible (Hobbit and Ella Enchanted excluded), so why was the same not done for this? Especially considering so many people know the story, even if they aren't saved. It was way too far gone for me to appreciate whatsoever.
If you want a play by play... here:
(because I have nothing better to do. Spoilers, of course.)
No one is going to ever be able to excuse it. I wanted to enjoy it; I really did, especially going in. One of the ladies mentioned before we left if we needed to walk out we could and I was like "No way! I'm going against the Christianese mold here!" Meh. Unfortunately, it fell waaaaay below anything I dared anticipate. The music was dull, the animals were so freakishly CGI, and the outfits were... historically inaccurate. (more on that down in spoiler. Go all the way to the bottom and read the last line. It's so pathetic I dare not post it for the public eye to see.)
My biggest complaint is actually something I read in a PluggedIn review and agreed with: people try to be so faithful to convert books and other stories to film in the best way possible (Hobbit and Ella Enchanted excluded), so why was the same not done for this? Especially considering so many people know the story, even if they aren't saved. It was way too far gone for me to appreciate whatsoever.
If you want a play by play... here:
(because I have nothing better to do. Spoilers, of course.)
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I want to see the movie simply because of the alleged turmoil that it's causing. I was talking with a friend today who saw it and he said basically what Termite said. If I do go see it, I'm going to be going into it with the mindset of just another CGI movie like Ender's Game (which was an okay movie. nothing spectacular).
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I guess that's it guys. I was going to defend the movie and everything, but I guess if I enjoyed it I must have been delusional. Just ignore everything I say from now on.Termite wrote:No one is going to ever be able to excuse it.
Fallacy of false continuum. // bookworm
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I am going to see it right now and see who is right.
Here is an interesting article about the movie: I'm a Christian and I Think 'Noah' Deserves A Four Star Review
I will not pay money to go see it. But I will probably see it at some point when I can do so free.
I will not pay money to go see it. But I will probably see it at some point when I can do so free.
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There are literally only two words, that-when combined-get me interested in this movie at all.
Emma and Watson.
Emma and Watson.
he/him | a little stinker.
If I was a moderator I'd straight-up delete the Matt Walsh link. >_> That guy is a self-righteous culture warrior who feeds off clicks and controversy, and he's mostly wrong.
In this case, his "review" of Noah is not only very, very wrong, but he's trying WAY too hard to be antagonistic. Like I said: he literally leaches off attention.
In this case, his "review" of Noah is not only very, very wrong, but he's trying WAY too hard to be antagonistic. Like I said: he literally leaches off attention.
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Fallacy of false continuum. // bookworm
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o_. Okayyy, didn't really get that..even after reading some of his other posts. And I just said it was interesting. No one has to agree.
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Well then, defend yourself, Jelly. (I promise to listen very attentively to your argument before judging you, even though I haven't seen the film for myself. )
But break my heart, for I must hold my tongue. --Hamlet.
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Let's go down together for one more chance. The skeletons are screaming for one last dance. --Hawthorne Heights
Tell 'em turn it up 'til they can't no more. Let's get this thing shakin' like a disco ball. This is your last warning, a courtesy call. --TFK
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Men who kill without reason cannot be reasoned with. --Stoic the Vast
Let's go down together for one more chance. The skeletons are screaming for one last dance. --Hawthorne Heights
Tell 'em turn it up 'til they can't no more. Let's get this thing shakin' like a disco ball. This is your last warning, a courtesy call. --TFK
You have nice manners for a thief and a liar. --Smaug
I know you mean well, but leave me be. Yes, I'm alone, but I'm alone and free. --Elsa
I don't want to defend myself. I've seen the film twice and I think it's one of the most beautiful things I've seen in years... but in all honesty, I was really hoping that I wouldn't like it all that much, because I knew if I did I would start to feel defensive and personal about it. I know I shouldn't, but I do.
I won't be defending myself. Though I do hope to write an essay that describes why I think the film is beautiful, integral and theologically important, and just leave it at that. If some article or rumor has informed you that the film is "biblically inaccurate" or somehow "not a good film because it was made by a humanist instead of a Christian," well, you might just miss out on an incredible opportunity to be moved, challenged and inspired by this amazing rendering of faith and love.
I won't be defending myself. Though I do hope to write an essay that describes why I think the film is beautiful, integral and theologically important, and just leave it at that. If some article or rumor has informed you that the film is "biblically inaccurate" or somehow "not a good film because it was made by a humanist instead of a Christian," well, you might just miss out on an incredible opportunity to be moved, challenged and inspired by this amazing rendering of faith and love.
Fallacy of false continuum. // bookworm
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I am not thinking that it's not a good film because a humanist made it. I'm thinking that it's not a good film because it pointlessly and incredibly inaccurate to who Noah truly was from what I've seen in the Bible.
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Okay, there were parts I liked about it, and parts I didn't like. I was fully prepared for it to take 'artistic license'; it was directed by an atheist, after all; inspired-by, not word-for-word account. Parts of it were Biblical, and parts of it weren't. Some stuff just seemed weird, and not an artistic choice I would make if I were making the movie. For instance,
Overall, I cautiously liked the movie; some parts were annoying, some parts were beautiful. We just have to take it as it is; a movie. We can't expect an atheist to make something purely Biblical; we can't expect a filmmaker to stick purely to the source material. I think it's better to applaud an atheist director for what he got right, rather than vilify him for what he got wrong. But in the end, we have to be discerning about what we view and at the same time respect others' opinions. It's usually best to take a balanced approach. There is good and bad in this world; if it was all bad, no chance for redemption, God wouldn't have bothered to give us a second chance.
Here is another interesting article: http://fromdustblog.wordpress.com/2014/ ... -it-brings
Here is another interesting article: http://fromdustblog.wordpress.com/2014/ ... -it-brings
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Will do!Jelly wrote:Just ignore everything I say from now on.Termite wrote:No one is going to ever be able to excuse it.
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My reaction after seeing this was ‘What in the world did I just watch?’ but not in a bad way. I liked it. I didn’t like it a lot, as in thinking it was so great and I’ll watch it again and again, but that’s just because it wasn’t my type of film. That doesn’t mean I can’t acknowledge that it was a good movie. I can tell that it was. Not my personal taste, that’s fine, but I don’t have any negative thoughts about it.
This was pretty much exactly what I expected it to be, and in that respect I thought it was very good. It was good for what it was. It wasn’t a good ‘accurate’ telling of Noah, if you want to just be able to see the story on the big screen, but that’s not what it was supposed to be. No one ever claimed this was a direct Biblical representation of the Flood story.
Of the small group I went to see this with, I had the highest opinion of it by far. After me, the best reaction was ‘I wasn’t prepared for that.’ They didn’t like it, but acknowledged that it was possible it was just because it wasn’t what they were expecting and if they had been more aware of what it was going to be like they may have received it better. The rest were simply negative with no possibility of coming around, though I tried to explain why the parts they didn’t like were just because they misunderstood the purposes (which made me feel like I was Jelly, which made me kind of proud).
There are many things I could pick out to give my thoughts on, but I don’t really want to because there’s no need to go through bit by bit, and it would take too long anyway, there was so much in here.
I do need to react to one topic though, because it’s an important one. A big issue one of my people had was how “Noah was portrayed as evil.” This is completely (though understandably) misunderstanding what was going on. Noah was not evil. He said multiple times he did not want to do that, but he believed it was what God wanted and as such had no choice in the matter. He was chosen to carry out God’s plan, he honestly believed that was part of it, so of course he was resolved to do it despite how terrible it seemed. It’s no different than Abraham being willing to sacrifice Isaac. He’s just trying to do what God wants him to. Noah was confused, and with good reason. He didn’t know exactly what God was wanting here, but he was doing his absolute best to figure it out and fulfill it.
So yeah; dark: definitely, unexpected: probably, but a blight on his character: no. Just the opposite in fact. If understood properly, this sequence reinforced the depiction of how strong Noah’s desire to follow God’s will was.
I also want to give my take on the Watchers, since I’m typing about things. My mind got really into this, finding different interpretations (which again made me feel like Jelly), and this is what I ultimately came up with. I don’t believe the Watchers are really fallen angels as described, at least not in the actual sense. The fallen angels are demons. They are the ones that sided with Satan in the rebellion against God and were cast out of Heaven forever. This can’t be what these creatures are, for multiple reasons.
First, and most troublesome to me when I was watching the movie, they weren’t cast from Heaven for rebelling, but banished for simply, and one could say mildly, disobeying God by desiring to help mankind. That really didn’t sit well with me, it seemed unfair on God’s part, which is obviously out of character.
Second, when they were destroyed they were accepted back into Heaven. This is a major red flag, because the angels made their choice once and for all. The fallen ones are fallen, permanently. They can regret their decision, but they cannot repent from it. They cannot reenter Heaven. So here, clearly, these beings cannot be actual fallen angels. But my mind used this problem to find a solution, and it thankfully clears up the bad feelings I had from the first problem.
I don’t believe the Watchers were actually banished by God, they just thought they were because of the circumstances. In reality, God kept them on Earth for a reason. They had to be there to help build and then defend the ark. When they had done that they were welcomed back into Heaven because they were never not welcome there. Their work was done, now they could return. It was all part of God’s plan and all had a purpose.
And one final thought. I’ve never tried to predict Oscar winners before because I have no idea what goes through the minds of the Academy when they’re looking for nominees, but I am calling this one right now. This film wins the 2015 award for Best Visual Effects. It’s a lock.
This was pretty much exactly what I expected it to be, and in that respect I thought it was very good. It was good for what it was. It wasn’t a good ‘accurate’ telling of Noah, if you want to just be able to see the story on the big screen, but that’s not what it was supposed to be. No one ever claimed this was a direct Biblical representation of the Flood story.
Of the small group I went to see this with, I had the highest opinion of it by far. After me, the best reaction was ‘I wasn’t prepared for that.’ They didn’t like it, but acknowledged that it was possible it was just because it wasn’t what they were expecting and if they had been more aware of what it was going to be like they may have received it better. The rest were simply negative with no possibility of coming around, though I tried to explain why the parts they didn’t like were just because they misunderstood the purposes (which made me feel like I was Jelly, which made me kind of proud).
There are many things I could pick out to give my thoughts on, but I don’t really want to because there’s no need to go through bit by bit, and it would take too long anyway, there was so much in here.
I do need to react to one topic though, because it’s an important one. A big issue one of my people had was how “Noah was portrayed as evil.” This is completely (though understandably) misunderstanding what was going on. Noah was not evil. He said multiple times he did not want to do that, but he believed it was what God wanted and as such had no choice in the matter. He was chosen to carry out God’s plan, he honestly believed that was part of it, so of course he was resolved to do it despite how terrible it seemed. It’s no different than Abraham being willing to sacrifice Isaac. He’s just trying to do what God wants him to. Noah was confused, and with good reason. He didn’t know exactly what God was wanting here, but he was doing his absolute best to figure it out and fulfill it.
So yeah; dark: definitely, unexpected: probably, but a blight on his character: no. Just the opposite in fact. If understood properly, this sequence reinforced the depiction of how strong Noah’s desire to follow God’s will was.
I also want to give my take on the Watchers, since I’m typing about things. My mind got really into this, finding different interpretations (which again made me feel like Jelly), and this is what I ultimately came up with. I don’t believe the Watchers are really fallen angels as described, at least not in the actual sense. The fallen angels are demons. They are the ones that sided with Satan in the rebellion against God and were cast out of Heaven forever. This can’t be what these creatures are, for multiple reasons.
First, and most troublesome to me when I was watching the movie, they weren’t cast from Heaven for rebelling, but banished for simply, and one could say mildly, disobeying God by desiring to help mankind. That really didn’t sit well with me, it seemed unfair on God’s part, which is obviously out of character.
Second, when they were destroyed they were accepted back into Heaven. This is a major red flag, because the angels made their choice once and for all. The fallen ones are fallen, permanently. They can regret their decision, but they cannot repent from it. They cannot reenter Heaven. So here, clearly, these beings cannot be actual fallen angels. But my mind used this problem to find a solution, and it thankfully clears up the bad feelings I had from the first problem.
I don’t believe the Watchers were actually banished by God, they just thought they were because of the circumstances. In reality, God kept them on Earth for a reason. They had to be there to help build and then defend the ark. When they had done that they were welcomed back into Heaven because they were never not welcome there. Their work was done, now they could return. It was all part of God’s plan and all had a purpose.
And one final thought. I’ve never tried to predict Oscar winners before because I have no idea what goes through the minds of the Academy when they’re looking for nominees, but I am calling this one right now. This film wins the 2015 award for Best Visual Effects. It’s a lock.