Jehoshaphat wrote:I mean every election is basically just choosing what type of government we want.
SnC. I miss you!
John Chrysostom wrote:Jelly, let me ask a clarifying question really quick. Are you saying that the historical/physical person of Jesus Christ is not the same as the Spiritual essence of Christ?
jennifertwt wrote:I would question as to whether a Christian who is consistently not Christ-like is actually saved, not just Calling themselves a Christian. I am not talking about the momentary flashes of anger, Words spoken carelessly, or even temporarily succumbing to sinful behavoir, but one whose Life consistently reflects the opposite of what taught and did.
the guy who used to watch a lot of films
I think God does look at the heart but as you said this isn't an either or question. Look at 1st Corinthians were Paul asksDoes God look at the outward appearance (labels), or does he look at the heart?
This seems to indicate that titles are somewhat important, we can't just go around claiming to be of whoever.Now I say this, that each of you says, “I am of Paul,” or “I am of Apollos,” or “I am of Cephas,” or “I am of Christ.” Is Christ divided? Was Paul crucified for you? Or were you baptized in the name of Paul?
The State is a lie
Just push that red button!
#snubsrocks
Jehoshaphat wrote:What would you say about those who have never heard of Christianity? Can they be condemned because of ignorance?
Just push that red button!
Jehoshaphat wrote:What would you say about those who have never heard of Christianity? Can they be condemned because of ignorance?
Proverbial Hippie
#snubsrocks
The stoic type.
Jehoshaphat wrote:So if a man had never learned about Jesus but lived a good life and followed God in his own religion withour knowing it or confessing Jesus as Lord, would he be saved?
Just push that red button!
TigerintheShadows wrote:Abiding by is not what is at issue here. What is at issue here is abiding in something, an issue that your response fails to address. Abiding by a teaching simply means that you follow it; abiding in a teaching means that you trust it and are completely immersed in it.
TigerintheShadows wrote:What leads me to that assumption? Perhaps the fact that the verses speak of earthly prosperity alone rather than heavenly prosperity. What leads you to think that it is an unlimited claim?
TigerintheShadows wrote:Your point was that God loves all "good" that is done, whether in His name or not. My point was that "good" done for the explicit purpose of service to a false god is idolatry, which is specifically described in multiple places in Scripture as a sin. (And I must ask how we are defining good, because good according to our standards and good according to God's standards are not intrinsically identical definitions.)
John Chrysostom wrote:PF I find this view very antithetical to the Roman Catholic view of the Church.No, we aren't. How can we search for good if we don't know what we're looking for? If I'm looking for the hundreds of gods of Hinduism how can I possibly find the Christ of the Bible?Alrighty. Then so long as we do and search for good, to whatever extent we have available to us, then aren't we following Jesus? Even if we do good in the name of Hinduism, Islam, or whatever your please, aren't we ultimately serving God by doing good?
Now I admit there can be seeds of truth in other religions but Christ came to bring everyone to the truth and to His Church, this is pretty standard Roman Catholic doctrine. I'm confused as to where you're getting this other view.
flummoxed and gobsmacked
Then why bother with missions?Pound Foolish wrote:"Not at all. The idea that anyone who follows God in their own way, whatever their religion, believing in Jesus or not, is in fact a Catholic teaching."
Just push that red button!
This quote is widely out of of context, what is missing as indicated by the ellipses?"Those who die in God's grace and friendship... live forever with Christ." Catechism of the Catholic Church.
The State is a lie
I would imagine because even if it may be possible for people to find Salvation in other ways, the surest and best way would of course be directly through Jesus, so we want to help as many people as possible discover that.jennifertwt wrote:Then why bother with missions?Pound Foolish wrote:"Not at all. The idea that anyone who follows God in their own way, whatever their religion, believing in Jesus or not, is in fact a Catholic teaching."
The State is a lie
The State is a lie
Stars are only visible in darkness
jennifertwt wrote:Then why bother with missions?
Blitz wrote:The way the Jesus said I am the way, the truth, and the life means only through Him can we reach God. The Bible gives no other way.
the guy who used to watch a lot of films
Stars are only visible in darkness
Return to Second Church of Odyssey
Users browsing this forum: No registered users and 0 guests