Re: abortion bumper sticker
Posted: Tue Aug 21, 2012 7:43 am
What about the rape victims that allow themselves to be taken to a sketchy back alley by their date, or meet with someone in an abandoned warehouse?
o.O yeah! I've got a good one, what about rape victims who were stupid enough to be born female and failed to sterilize themselves? Wouldn't have gotten pregnant otherwise, see? RESPONSIBILITY!!Termite wrote:What about the rape victims that allow themselves to be taken to a sketchy back alley by their date, or meet with someone in an abandoned warehouse?
The definition of rape is that the victim is being made to have sex against their will. What about the person who met with someone in their apartment and was forced sex against their will?Termite wrote:What about the rape victims that allow themselves to be taken to a sketchy back alley by their date, or meet with someone in an abandoned warehouse?
Yeah, but at the same time, as I mentioned earlier, none of us are immune from making stupid decisions. My point is that the stupid decision shouldn't be taken as an open invitation to treat the individual making it any differently.Termite wrote:No need to freak, Guess Who!; church seemed absolutely dead set that rape victims can have done no wrong and not be responsible for anything, so I was just furthering the discussion in that aspect.
Exactly, JJJJ. That's where I'd feel completely horrible and couldn't hold the victim responsible. If the man was a complete stranger then I'd question why a woman would put herself is such a vulnerable position, but that was the point of my question. Not every single rape victim is entirely devoid of responsibility. It happens sometimes because girls can be absolute idiots sometimes, but most times just because men are the idiots.
I'd still feel horrible and would hope to be a comfort to her IF the idiot girl made it out of the abandoned warehouse alive, but would silently question 'WHY WOULD YOU GO THERE!?!?!'. Completely irresponsible. It wasn't to be insensitive, it was to point out that like everything rape isn't always black and white. It's horrible either way, and men who force themselves upon women are animals, but it isn't always just his fault. It can be hers for putting herself in a bad situation and not just falling prey to a man's strength.
That was my point. Hopefully I cleared it up now.
I'm not sure exactly what I said to give this impression, I just said rape is extremely damaging to the victim and requires special treatment to deal with that damage. Now, I will say doing something really stupid is not the same as making someone rape them. Meeting someone in a back alley, meeting someone from the internet alone, 'teasing' someone with the intention of frustrating them (that last one is beyond stupid, it's despicable and strikes a nerve with me), but none of them take responsibility from the person who commits the rape. The choice to commit rape is still the person's who does it.church seemed absolutely dead set that rape victims can have done no wrong and not be responsible for anything, so I was just furthering the discussion in that aspect.
It depends what you mean by different. There shouldn't be a difference in the services offered in terms of counsolling, adoption services, etc. Although the approach to counsolling and similar services should be different. I haven't looked into it at all, but I have heard of Christian organizations that offer cousnolling for women who have had abortions. I think that's a great idea. Now, I don't think the services should work to say that the people involved don't have a responsibilty for there actions as much as saying yes, you screwed up, but it's not over and you're not irredeemable. or something to that effect.Re church: My point was that church/charity programs/services offered to teens who are pregnant probably shouldn't treat the teen who got pregnant consensually any differently than the rape victim who did not. I was trying to gauge your feeling on that. Some would, for example, suggest not offering the same services to the teen who got themselves into the situation by choice, because of the need to take responsibility for their own actions.
All too true, but since I thought this came off the babies thing I didn't feel it as relevant. Rape = awful all around, however.jasonjannajerryjohn wrote:Men get raped as well both by men and women. And women get raped by women as well. Just throwing that out there, because it does happen. Not that it's particularly relevant to abortion.
Exactly, which is why I said I would silently question... this is where tact must prevail- a trait which plenty of Christians should practice more.Sherlock wrote:Yeah, but at the same time, as I mentioned earlier, none of us are immune from making stupid decisions. My point is that the stupid decision shouldn't be taken as an open invitation to treat the individual making it any differently.
I'm pretty sure the rape would help them realize not to do it again...what's to stop them from letting it happen again if they don't realize their mistake?
This aspect of our society is something I find despicable. It is more socially acceptable and overall consequence free to kill the baby instead of putting it up for adoption. That we have become fixated on both the quick solution and out of sight out of mind mentality that we take murder as being prefferable to adoption.typically, it is a decision made out of fear, or the feeling of it being a "last resort."